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Zdravim Vas,
V prvom rade Vam chcem zazelat Vesele Vianoce. Prosim Vas budete taky dobry a vyjadrite vas nazor. Predpokladam, ze mi disk odchadza. Zhruba pred dvomi tyzdnami - mesiacom som zacul akesi cvakanie a mierny zasek sem tam. Nevenoval som tomu poznornost, ale samozrejme ze to moze byt disk som si pomyslel, tak som vsetko zalohoval. Cvakanie prestalo az dodnes, ked to dnes zacalo pri zalohovani suborov na dropbox, dropbox priecinok je umiestneny na nesystemovom samsungu, nakoniec az zamrzol. Po restarte cvakal , a len velmi tazko bootoval windows, nakoniec ani nenabehol. Skusil som ist cez live cd linuxu, videl som tam iba systemovy disk Seagate 80GB, druhy samsung nie. Tak som to resetol a skusil odpojit samsung. Znovu som zapol pc, windows nabehol s tym systemovym diskom. Vypol ho, skusil zapojit samsung a nabehol, necvaka zatial. Nemam skusenosti s odchadzajucimi diskami, ale je mozne ze sa tak chova disk ako sa chova? K tomu cvakaniu, uz ma napadlo ze som cvok a ze to je cvakanie nieco ineho a nie disku. Ale pocujem jasne cvakanie, ako ked nemoze sa posunut ta citacia hlava dalej a stoji na jednom mieste. Chcem sa spytat akym softom najrozumnejsie otestovat disky? Dakujem za kazdy nazor, radu a ostavam s pozdravom

Zdravim

CDI, pouziji koleguv navod - pri instalaci nesouhlaste s lic.podminkami TuneUp = tim se nenainstalujte = to je dobre, pac toho tam nechceme

Mc_Murphy píše: Stáhni CrystalDisk Info: http://www.studna.cz/crystaldiskinfo-p-11601.html
Nainstaluj ho, spusť a přes Úpravy >> Kopírovat sem vlož log.

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OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition SP1 [6.1 Build 7601] (x86)
Date : 2012/12/28 13:51:48

-- Controller Map ----------------------------------------------------------
+ Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller [ATA]
- ATA Channel 0 (0)
- ATA Channel 1 (1)
+ NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller [ATA]
- SAMSUNG HD502HJ SCSI Disk Device
- ATA Channel 0 (0) [ATA]
- ATA Channel 1 (1) [ATA]
+ NVIDIA nForce Serial ATA Controller [ATA]
- HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-H62N SCSI CdRom Device
- ST380211 AS SCSI Disk Device

-- Disk List ---------------------------------------------------------------
(1) SAMSUNG HD502HJ : 500,1 GB [0/2/1, sm]
(2) ST380211AS : 80,0 GB [1/3/1, sm] - st

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(1) SAMSUNG HD502HJ
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Model : SAMSUNG HD502HJ
Firmware : 1AJ100E4
Serial Number : S20BJ90Z359425
Disk Size : 500,1 GB (8,4/137,4/500,1)
Buffer Size : 16384 KB
Queue Depth : 32
# of Sectors : 976773168
Rotation Rate : 7200 RPM
Interface : Serial ATA
Major Version : ATA8-ACS
Minor Version : ATA8-ACS version 6
Transfer Mode : SATA/300
Power On Hours : 247 hours
Power On Count : 2127 count
Temparature : 31 C (87 F)
Health Status : Good
Features : S.M.A.R.T., APM, AAM, 48bit LBA, NCQ
APM Level : 0000h [OFF]
AAM Level : FE00h [OFF]

-- S.M.A.R.T. --------------------------------------------------------------
ID Cur Wor Thr RawValues(6) Attribute Name
01 100 100 _51 000000000000 Read Error Rate
02 252 252 __0 000000000000 Throughput Performance
03 _83 _83 _25 000000001478 Spin-Up Time
04 _99 _99 __0 0000000007B9 Start/Stop Count
05 252 252 _10 000000000000 Reallocated Sectors Count
07 252 252 _51 000000000000 Seek Error Rate
08 252 252 _15 000000000000 Seek Time Performance
09 100 100 __0 0000000000F7 Power-On Hours
0A 252 252 _51 000000000000 Spin Retry Count
0B 252 252 __0 000000000000 Recalibration Retries
0C _98 _98 __0 00000000084F Power Cycle Count
BF 252 252 __0 000000000000 G-Sense Error Rate
C0 252 252 __0 000000000000 Power-off Retract Count
C2 _64 _64 __0 00250011001F Temperature
C3 100 100 __0 000000000000 Hardware ECC recovered
C4 252 252 __0 000000000000 Reallocation Event Count
C5 252 252 __0 000000000000 Current Pending Sector Count
C6 252 252 __0 000000000000 Uncorrectable Sector Count
C7 200 200 __0 000000000000 UltraDMA CRC Error Count
C8 100 100 __0 000000000120 Write Error Rate
DF 252 252 __0 000000000000 Load/Unload Retry Count
E1 100 100 __0 000000000850 Load/Unload Cycle Count

-- IDENTIFY_DEVICE ---------------------------------------------------------
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000: 0040 3FFF C837 0010 0000 0000 003F 0000 0000 0000
010: 5332 3042 4A39 305A 3335 3934 3235 2020 2020 2020
020: 0000 8000 0004 3141 4A31 3030 4534 5341 4D53 554E
030: 4720 4844 3530 3248 4A20 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020
040: 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 8010 4000 2F00
050: 4000 0200 0200 0007 3FFF 0010 003F FC10 00FB 0110
060: FFFF 0FFF 0000 0007 0003 0078 0078 0078 0078 0000
070: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 001F 1706 0000 004C 0040
080: 01FF 0028 746B 7F69 4123 7469 BC41 4123 407F 0026
090: 0026 0000 FFFE 0000 FE00 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
100: 6030 3A38 0000 0000 0000 0000 4000 0000 5002 4E92
110: 022B 0FFA 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 401C
120: 401C 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0029 0000
130: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
140: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
150: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
160: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0002 0000
170: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
180: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
190: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
200: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 003F 0000 0000 0000
210: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 1C20 0000 0000
220: 0000 0000 101F 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
230: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0001 0400 0000 0000 0000 0000
240: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
250: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 B2A5

-- SMART_READ_DATA ---------------------------------------------------------
+0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 10 00 01 2F 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 26
010: 00 FC FC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 23 00 53 53 78
020: 14 00 00 00 00 00 04 32 00 63 63 B9 07 00 00 00
030: 00 00 05 33 00 FC FC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 07 2E
040: 00 FC FC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 24 00 FC FC 00
050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 32 00 64 64 F7 00 00 00 00
060: 00 00 0A 32 00 FC FC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 32
070: 00 FC FC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0C 32 00 62 62 4F
080: 08 00 00 00 00 00 BF 22 00 FC FC 00 00 00 00 00
090: 00 00 C0 22 00 FC FC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 02
0A0: 00 40 40 1F 00 11 00 25 00 00 C3 3A 00 64 64 00
0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C4 32 00 FC FC 00 00 00 00 00
0C0: 00 00 C5 32 00 FC FC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C6 30
0D0: 00 FC FC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C7 36 00 C8 C8 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C8 2A 00 64 64 20 01 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 DF 32 00 FC FC 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 E1 32
100: 00 64 64 50 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 48 12 00 5B
170: 03 00 01 00 02 4E 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 FE

-- SMART_READ_THRESHOLD ----------------------------------------------------
+0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 10 00 01 33 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00
010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 19 00 00 00 00
020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
030: 00 00 05 0A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 07 33
040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 0F 00 00 00 00
050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
060: 00 00 0A 33 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0B 00
070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0C 00 00 00 00 00
080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 BF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
090: 00 00 C0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 00
0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C3 00 00 00 00 00
0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C4 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0C0: 00 00 C5 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C6 00
0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C7 00 00 00 00 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 DF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 E1 00
100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 3B

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(2) ST380211AS
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Model : ST380211AS
Firmware : 3.AAE
Serial Number : 5PS0M1Q5
Disk Size : 80,0 GB (8,4/80,0/80,0)
Buffer Size : 2048 KB
Queue Depth : 32
# of Sectors : 156301488
Rotation Rate : Unknown
Interface : Serial ATA
Major Version : ATA/ATAPI-7
Minor Version : ----
Transfer Mode : SATA/150
Power On Hours : 13494 hours
Power On Count : 6663 count
Temparature : 38 C (100 F)
Health Status : Good
Features : S.M.A.R.T., 48bit LBA, NCQ
APM Level : ----
AAM Level : ----

-- S.M.A.R.T. --------------------------------------------------------------
ID Cur Wor Thr RawValues(6) Attribute Name
01 119 _89 __6 00000C20A49E Read Error Rate
03 _95 _95 __0 000000000000 Spin-Up Time
04 _95 _95 _20 0000000016DB Start/Stop Count
05 100 100 _36 000000000000 Reallocated Sectors Count
07 _85 _60 _30 000015A21B2F Seek Error Rate
09 _85 _85 __0 0000000034B6 Power-On Hours
0A 100 100 _97 000000000000 Spin Retry Count
0C _94 _94 _20 000000001A07 Power Cycle Count
BB 100 100 __0 000000000000 Reported Uncorrectable Errors
BD 100 100 __0 000000000000 High Fly Writes
BE _62 _50 _45 000026240026 Airflow Temperature
C2 _38 _50 __0 001500000026 Temperature
C3 _67 _46 __0 00000BDA6BC2 Hardware ECC recovered
C5 100 100 __0 000000000000 Current Pending Sector Count
C6 100 100 __0 000000000000 Uncorrectable Sector Count
C7 200 200 __0 000000000000 UltraDMA CRC Error Count
C8 100 253 __0 000000000000 Write Error Rate
CA 100 253 __0 000000000000 Data Address Mark Error

-- IDENTIFY_DEVICE ---------------------------------------------------------
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
000: 0C5A 3FFF C837 0010 0000 0000 003F 0000 0000 0000
010: 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 3550 5330 4D31 5135
020: 0000 1000 0004 332E 4141 4520 2020 5354 3338 3032
030: 3131 4153 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020
040: 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 8010 0000 2F00
050: 4000 0200 0200 0007 3FFF 0010 003F FC10 00FB 0110
060: F8B0 0950 0000 0007 0003 0078 0078 0078 0078 0000
070: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 001F 0502 0000 0048 0040
080: 00FE 0000 346B 7D01 4023 3469 3C01 4023 407F 0000
090: 0000 FEFE FFFE 0000 D000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
100: F8B0 0950 0000 0000 0000 0000 4000 0000 0000 0000
110: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0100 0000 0000
120: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0009 F8B0
130: 0950 F8B0 0950 2020 0002 02B6 0002 008A 3C06 3C0A
140: 0000 07C6 0100 0800 1312 0500 0002 0080 0000 0000
150: 00A0 0202 0000 0404 0000 0000 0000 0000 1400 000B
160: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
170: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
180: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
190: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
200: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
210: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
220: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
230: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
240: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
250: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 E4A5

-- SMART_READ_DATA ---------------------------------------------------------
+0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 0A 00 01 0F 00 77 59 9E A4 20 0C 00 00 00 03 03
010: 00 5F 5F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 32 00 5F 5F DB
020: 16 00 00 00 00 00 05 33 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00
030: 00 00 07 0F 00 55 3C 2F 1B A2 15 00 00 00 09 32
040: 00 55 55 B6 34 00 00 00 00 00 0A 13 00 64 64 00
050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 0C 32 00 5E 5E 07 1A 00 00 00
060: 00 00 BB 32 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 BD 3A
070: 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 BE 22 00 3E 32 26
080: 00 24 26 00 00 00 C2 22 00 26 32 26 00 00 00 15
090: 00 00 C3 1A 00 43 2E C2 6B DA 0B 00 00 00 C5 12
0A0: 00 64 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C6 10 00 64 64 00
0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C7 3E 00 C8 C8 00 00 00 00 00
0C0: 00 00 C8 00 00 64 FD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 CA 32
0D0: 00 64 FD 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 82 00 AE 01 00 5B
170: 03 00 01 00 01 1B 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 05 05 05 05 05 05 05 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 E8 F7 0B 04 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 52 50 EE B8 96 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 E8 F7 0B 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 02 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 34 21 B6 42 02 00
1D0: 00 00 16 33 08 00 00 00 00 00 AC 34 00 00 00 00
1E0: E8 1B 02 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06

-- SMART_READ_THRESHOLD ----------------------------------------------------
+0 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7 +8 +9 +A +B +C +D +E +F
000: 0A 00 01 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 03 00
010: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 04 14 00 00 00 00
020: 00 00 00 00 00 00 05 24 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
030: 00 00 07 1E 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 09 00
040: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0A 61 00 00 00 00
050: 00 00 00 00 00 00 0C 14 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
060: 00 00 BB 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 BD 00
070: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 BE 2D 00 00 00 00
080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C2 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
090: 00 00 C3 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C5 00
0A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 C6 00 00 00 00 00
0B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 C7 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0C0: 00 00 C8 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 CA 00
0D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
160: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1A0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1B0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1C0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1D0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1E0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
1F0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 26



dakujem, spustil som error scan pre obe disky . HD Tune Pro nevykazuje ziadny ze je "Damaged"

Cital som ze obcasne cvakanie disku moze byt sposobene aj odchadzajucim zdrojom

Oba disky vykazuji chyby a poskozeni

Tento (2) ST380211AS : 80,0 GB [1/3/1, sm] - st predpoklam ze je systemovy a je jeste vice poskozen nez ten 500GB

dakujem teda, a ake vazne su tie poskodenia, cca kolko mi este vydrzia, ja viem ze nie si prorok, ale tak aky je tvoj nazor

zalohu tych najdolezitejsich veci som si spravil

Co odporucas, mozem uzivat dovtedy kym nekrachne uplne? Nemam tam nic dolezite

U disku se opravdu tezko odhaduje doba vydrze - muze to byt pul roku, mesic ale i treba tyden...Opravdu si netroufnu tipnout...

Doporucuji pravidelne zalohovat.

A do kdy jej pouzivat? No asi do te doby nez to bude unosne a nebude dochazet ke zpomalovani, padum systemu ci ztrate dat

Jasne, niektore ot. su mimo normy, ale tak ci onak dakujem

Nemate zac, rad jsem pomohl Zase nekdy

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